An exploration of trans and non-binary inclusion in running, and how unexpectedly, the sport of trail running is leading the way in creating policies and practices to make runners feel welcome, safe, and seen at their races.

First, we’re going to hear a story from Zobel Belisario, a queer, non-binary trail and ultra runner. Next, a discussion with Patti Flynn, endurance athlete, runner, cyclist, and Senior DEI Consultant at the Equality Institute. Then, a breakdown and call to action on how the listener can take immediate next steps on being an active participant in supporting trans and non-binary runners. Finally, an excerpt from the poem, Zone of Rarity, read by author J Mase III, a Black/trans/queer poet & educator based in Seattle, by way of Philadelphia.

Meet the guests:

Zobel Belisario (they/them/their)

  • Ultrarunner
  • Pacer with Chinatown Runners
  • Volunteer Coordinator at The Phoenix NYC

Patti Flynn (she/her)

  • Diversity Equity & Inclusion Strategy Consultant
  • LGBTQ+ Speaker & Writer
  • Ultramarathoner
  • Ironman finisher
  • Cyclist

Calls to action:

If you take action and do one of our suggested takeaways, tell us! We would love to hear what you did, and how it changed you. Tag us in a post on Instagram or email to share.

A special thank you to Chris Mosier for introducing us to Patti and J Mase III, as well as for his guidance in helping create this episode.

Running Realized is hosted by Tina Muir and Knox Robinson. Produced by Jon Phillips. Original music, sound design, and mix by Daniel Brunelle. Edited by Gordon Bramli. Cover image created by Mari De Monte and Toby Kelleher.

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