Ryan and Tina record their first episode in person, in Tina’s kitchen in Chattanooga, a day after getting back from New York City Marathon weekend. They cover Ryan’s 2:23 marathon and first-place non-binary finish, Tina’s refill-station race, a very public chafing problem, the online backlash that followed, and the weekly ick.
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Recording in person for the first time (0:04).
An hour and 15 minutes of equipment trouble ends with one camera and a natural conversation. They sort out where to look and how to start the episode.
Why they’re in Chattanooga (4:22).
Both just finished New York City Marathon weekend and are speaking at a conference in Nashville this week. They also announce they’ll be on stage together at TRE in December.
A chaotic New York week (6:20).
Tina juggles her sustainability nonprofit, her work with New York Road Runners and a marathon. Ryan points out she never budgets transition time, as in the Wednesday plan to squeeze a group run in before Harry Styles at Madison Square Garden.
Community and the Desert Solstice reaction (9:42).
They talk about friends showing up in New York and people asking “where’s Ryan?” Ryan says the reaction to the 24-hour announcement skews toward “you must be mental to do it on a 400 meter track.”
Pacing a 2:23 PR (14:28).
New York was training for the 24-hour race. Ryan guessed a 2:25 and the coach suggested 2:20, so Ryan split the difference and ran 2:23 on a hard course.
Deferring last year (16:52).
Tina remembers Ryan floating the idea of starting the race six weeks after surgery. Ryan deferred instead.
Sub-elite treatment and the non-binary division (18:39). Ryan describes the private transport, police escort, warm-up area and PTs. Ryan explains why visibility in the division matters.
Race moments (21:59).
Ryan recalls the helicopters over the Verrazzano Bridge, the wall of noise coming off the Queensboro Bridge, the climb up Fifth Avenue and the bike escort.
A competitive non-binary time (26:42).
Ryan finished first non-binary in a likely course record and says the time is faster than this year’s pro women’s field.
London vs. New York (28:12).
Tina gets the verdict from the Deputy Mayor of London, Mete Coban, whom she hands a medal at the finish. Tina still holds a slight London bias.
Tina’s meltdown and race-morning decision (31:59).
An overwhelmed Tina breaks down in a Sweetgreen on Friday, partly from guilt about being away from home. On race morning she decides to start with Team for Climate at the back of wave two rather than in wave one.
Team for Climate and the refill stations (40:04).
Tina tells the group of about 200 runners they raised $800,000. She then runs 2:55 while refilling at Culligan stations with a reusable bottle and nutrition flask, and estimates over 100,000 cups saved across 61,000 runners.
Joyful moments and running it again (51:21).
Tina describes punching the Mario-style boxes and locking eyes with friends. They then talk about running again next year and how lucky an auto-qualifying time is when the lottery odds are 1 to 4 percent.
Bloody nipples go viral (57:06).
Ryan forgot tape, relied on anti-chafe and started bleeding around mile eight. The NYC Marathon collab post has 1.5 million views and over 12,000 shares. The irony is that Ryan did a Band-Aid brand collaboration this year.
Backlash and why visibility matters (63:55).
Ryan says the negative comments hit harder this time. Ryan cites the Trevor Project’s 2024 survey on suicidal ideation among non-binary and trans youth, and invites questions for a future episode.
Icks and the notification center (70:57).
Tina’s ick is Ryan cuddling without asking, and Ryan’s is the yogurt bowl left on the table. They then revisit Team Notification Center, which turns into a conversation about phone habits.
Our ground rules:
- we will get off topic
- we argue and pick fights with each other
- we swear
- we are intentionally provocative (and have to work through disagreements to get to the next level of relationship)
See you Every Friday!
Theme music by TJ Dumser. You can find him on Instagram @sixmissing
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